Legislature(2009 - 2010)

02/18/2010 01:03 AM House TRA


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01:03:10 PM Start
01:03:41 PM Marine Transportation Advisory Board
01:24:22 PM Amhs Update
02:18:20 PM HB329
03:11:39 PM Adjourn
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         HB 329-DEDICATED TRANSPORT FUND/PUB TRANSPORT                                                                      
                                                                                                                              
CHAIR P. WILSON announced that  the final order of business would                                                               
be HOUSE  BILL NO.  329, "An Act  relating to  the transportation                                                               
infrastructure  fund, to  local public  transportation, to  motor                                                               
fuel  taxes,  and to  the  motor  vehicle registration  fee;  and                                                               
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:18:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR P.  WILSON explained  that a  new committee  substitute has                                                               
been prepared.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOHANSEN  made  a  motion  to  adopt  a  proposed                                                               
committee substitute, labeled 26-LS1207\N,  Kane, 2/18/10, as the                                                               
working document.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:19:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG objected for the purpose of discussion.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:19:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REBECCA  ROONEY, Staff,  Representative P.  Wilson, Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature, on  behalf of Representative P.  Wilson, stated that                                                               
explained changes  contained in  Version N.   She  explained that                                                               
the first change  removed legislative intent.   Another bill will                                                               
be  vehicle   for  appropriation  of  the   proposed  $1  billion                                                               
endowment  to the  proposed Alaska  Transportation Infrastructure                                                               
Fund (ATIF), she stated.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:20:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ROONEY  referred to  page  2,  line 5  of  Version  N.   She                                                               
reported  that the  committee previously  discussed removing  the                                                               
Watercraft Fuel  Tax Account  (WFTA) from the  bill since  it may                                                               
appear that  the Fisheries  Business Tax  Account (FBTA)  was the                                                               
only revenue source for the  Municipal Harbor Facility Grant Fund                                                               
(MHFGF).  Thus, the WFTA was replaced  with the ATIF.  On page 2,                                                               
lines 19-22, the committee previously  discussed the beginning as                                                               
July  1, 2011  instead of  April 1,  2011, to  coincide with  the                                                               
start of fiscal year.  She  referred to page 3, to the allocation                                                               
of  funds   between  modes,   noting  the   committee  previously                                                               
discussed   the  desire   for   more   flexibility  between   the                                                               
transportation modes.   She  referred to page  3, line  13, which                                                               
was changed  to read..."not to  exceed" to allow  the legislature                                                               
the ability  to increase and decrease  appropriations between the                                                               
transportation mode,  which would allow additional  funding for a                                                               
runway erosion issue  or other issue that  may require additional                                                               
funding to be addressed.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:22:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. ROONEY  referred to page  4, line  10, to the  composition of                                                               
the Transportation Infrastructure  Fund Advisory Council (ATIFAC)                                                               
which  was  increased to  10  members.   Some  committee  members                                                               
suggested that the  legislature's Transportation Committee Chairs                                                               
might have too large a role.   Thus, paragraphs 4 and 5 added two                                                               
additional legislators to be appointed  by the leadership instead                                                               
of the  Chairs of  the House  and Senate  Transportation Standing                                                               
Committees.  The  bill adds two legislators from  urban and rural                                                               
districts to ensure the representation  of expertise in different                                                               
modes.    The DOT&PF  commissioner's  position  was deleted,  but                                                               
his/her  three deputy  commissioners  were added  since they  are                                                               
responsible for surface transportation, aviation, and the AMHS.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:24:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. ROONEY  referred to page  4, lines  24-31, which is  the bill                                                               
drafter's  first attempt  to capture  legislators from  urban and                                                               
rural districts.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  P. WILSON  expressed her  intention  to hold  HB 329  over                                                               
today.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:26:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. ROONEY  referred to page  5, line 7 of  Version N.   The date                                                               
was changed to October 15 to  allow the report from the ATIFAC to                                                               
mesh  with  the DOT&PF's  budget  timeframe.   Additionally,  the                                                               
ATIFAC's  report will  be submitted  to governor  as well  as the                                                               
legislature  to help  alleviate the  issue of  the separation  of                                                               
powers.  This disparity comes  into play since having legislators                                                               
on the council basically gives  the legislature both the power to                                                               
affect  the suggested  list of  projects  as well  as choose  the                                                               
actual projects that receive funding.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:27:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. ROONEY  referred to page  9, lines  22 and 29,  and indicated                                                               
the dates  were changed  to reflect the  beginning of  the fiscal                                                               
year.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR P. WILSON  referred to page 9, line 25  of proposed Section                                                               
15 of Version N,  which read, "If, under sec. 13  of this Act, AS                                                               
44.42.020(a)(17), enacted  by sec.  9 of  this Act,  takes effect                                                               
immediately under  AS 01.10.070(c)."   This means that  this bill                                                               
would take  effect only  if the results  if the  joint resolution                                                               
[HJR  42]   passes  and  the   voters  pass   the  constitutional                                                               
amendment, she stated.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:28:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  related  a   series  of  concerns  and                                                               
suggestions.   He  referred  to  page 4,  of  Version  N, to  the                                                               
composition  of   the  ATIFAC,   which  would  consist   of  four                                                               
legislators.    He  expressed  concern   that  members  would  be                                                               
majority members and no provision  was made for minority members.                                                               
He  related that  two  legislators  should represent  communities                                                               
with  small  populations and  two  legislative  members were  not                                                               
described.   He asked for  consideration for urban areas  and the                                                               
population that uses the public  transit systems.  He referred to                                                               
page 5, line  3, which refers to AS 39.20.180.   He asked whether                                                               
that  was the  correct  statute or  if the  travel  and per  diem                                                               
should correspond to a statute in  Title 24.  He also referred to                                                               
page  5,  line   page  7,  to  capital   projects  and  suggested                                                               
flexibility  to  cover  items  such   as  higher  fuel  costs  or                                                               
operating expenses instead of  restricting the recommendations to                                                               
capital projects.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:32:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG suggested  that the sponsor specifically                                                               
consider  an   alternate  plan   for  a   statute  in   case  the                                                               
constitutional  amendment for  the dedicated  transportation fund                                                               
does not  pass.  If  that happened,  the committee would  need to                                                               
start  a new  process to  develop an  alternate plan  which would                                                               
take  time.   If an  alternate  plan were  incorporated into  the                                                               
bill,  it  would  ensure  that  transportation  issues  could  be                                                               
funded.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:33:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOHANSEN  referred  to  page  2,  lines  1-9,  of                                                               
Version  N.   He was  unsure whether  the Fisheries  Business Tax                                                               
should be included.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  P.  WILSON  answered  the Fisheries  Business  Tax  is  an                                                               
existing tax.   She explained that she wanted  the flexibility to                                                               
use the tax for the proposed ATIF.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOHANSEN referred again  to proposed Section 2 and                                                               
to  the appropriations  to the  Municipal  Harbor Facility  Grant                                                               
Fund.     This  proposed  section   allows  the   legislature  to                                                               
appropriate to  the proposed ATIF,  deletes the reference  to the                                                               
Watercraft Fuel Tax  Account, and "out of the  blue" states, "and                                                               
from Fisheries  Business Tax collected  under AS  43.75.015 after                                                               
payments to  municipalities are made..."   He suggested  that any                                                               
of a  hundred funds from the  general fund could be  deposited to                                                               
the  Municipal Harbor  Facility Grant  Fund.   He  asked why  the                                                               
Fisheries Business Tax  is singled out since  the legislature may                                                               
make other  appropriations to  the fund.   He also  remarked that                                                               
this tax is  collected under AS 43.75.150, but  payments are made                                                               
to municipalities under AS 43.75.130.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR P.  WILSON explained that  the state  is in the  process of                                                               
fixing  harbors and  allowing local  municipalities to  take over                                                               
ownership.  She commented that  municipalities will not take over                                                               
harbors until the  repairs are made.  She recalled  that about 29                                                               
harbors  have  not  yet  been   transferred  or  fixed  and  this                                                               
mechanism may provide a method to repair the state's harbors.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOHANSEN agreed but maintained his concern.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR P.  WILSON offered  to flag areas  of concern  that members                                                               
have on the bill.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:37:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOHANSEN referred to page  3, lines 6-8 of Version                                                               
N, and read,  "An appropriation from the fund may  not be made to                                                               
a  project for  which federal  money has  been allocated..."   He                                                               
referred  to   page  3,  line   13,  which  read,   "...shall  be                                                               
distributed..."   He asked for  clarification since one  is "may"                                                               
and the other is "shall."                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR P.  WILSON explained  that she  sought flexibility.   State                                                               
funded projects  can move more  quickly through the  process, yet                                                               
there  might be  times the  legislature may  wish to  use federal                                                               
funds.  She expressed her intent  to limit the amount of the fund                                                               
that could be used for capital projects.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:38:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRIAN  KANE,  Attorney,  Legislative Legal  Counsel,  Legislative                                                               
Legal   and  Research   Services,  Legislative   Affairs  Agency,                                                               
explained that "may not" and  "shall not" basically mean the same                                                               
thing.   He referred to  page 3, line  6, and explained  that the                                                               
state is  limited to making  an appropriation for  matching funds                                                               
for a federally funding project.   Additionally, federal matching                                                               
funds  cannot exceed  10 percent  of the  appropriations for  any                                                               
given year.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:40:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  P. WILSON  stated she  did  not know  if federal  projects                                                               
always require  matching funds.   She asked  whether it  would be                                                               
clearer if  it read that  an appropriation from the  fund "cannot                                                               
or shall not" be made instead of "may not."                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG agreed that  "cannot" is a clearer term.                                                               
He suggested  the sponsor consider  discussing this  further with                                                               
the bill drafter.  He stated  that "may not" is likely the normal                                                               
term in the drafting manual but in this instance is confusing.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:41:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOHANSEN  referred to  page 3, lines  12-13, which                                                               
read,  "Appropriations made  from the  fund for  capital projects                                                               
for transportation  and related  facilities shall  be distributed                                                               
based on amounts not to  exceed the following percentages..."  He                                                               
asked whether the dedicated fund,  which sets specific parameters                                                               
for  allocation  of  funds between  transportation  modes,  would                                                               
challenge the decision-making process of the legislature.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KANE responded  that he  did not  believe the  program would                                                               
challenge   the   appropriation   process.      He   stated   the                                                               
determination   was  the   resolution   would   place  into   the                                                               
constitution a provision for a  dedicated fund for transportation                                                               
and related  facilities.   The proposed language  in HB  329 sets                                                               
the allocation to  ensure money is spread  out for transportation                                                               
needs  such as  roads, ferries,  and  transit.   However, in  any                                                               
given year  the entirety  of the fund  would not  be appropriated                                                               
for only  one project.   The legislature could  still appropriate                                                               
80  percent  of  the  available  funding  for  road  and  surface                                                               
transportation  funding and  not appropriate  any funds  to other                                                               
types of transportation projects.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:43:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOHANSEN  referred  to  page 3,  lines  12-15  of                                                               
Version N  and asked what  would happen if the  legislature chose                                                               
to appropriate  85 percent  instead of 80  percent for  roads and                                                               
surface transportation.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. KANE  answered that  based on the  language that  the statute                                                               
would   not  allow   the  legislature   to  spend   beyond  these                                                               
percentages from the  proposed Transportation Infrastructure Fund                                                               
(ATIF), but  the legislature  could appropriate  additional funds                                                               
from another fund such as the general fund (GF).                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:44:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   GRUENBERG   pointed   out  that   this   is   an                                                               
authorization bill and the  legislature cannot appropriate beyond                                                               
the  manner authorized.    He referred  to page  3,  line 25,  of                                                               
Version N.  He expressed  discomfort with the current percentages                                                               
of allocation  from the dedicated transportation  fund.  However,                                                               
he suggested  that the 20  percent referred to in  this paragraph                                                               
is intended  for "public" transportation.   He  further suggested                                                               
that  it should  read,  "...projects related  to local  community                                                               
public transportation  and transit..."  to be certain  the intent                                                               
is crystal  clear.  He  referred to page  3, line 7,  and offered                                                               
that it may  be appropriate to refer to capital  projects in this                                                               
instance.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:45:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MUNOZ referred to page  3, lines 17-18, of Version                                                               
N and asked whether municipal airports  are eligible for up to 25                                                               
percent for aviation projects.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. ROONEY  responded that she  believed that all  airports could                                                               
apply for the funds.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:46:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR P.  WILSON recalled that  the Juneau  International Airport                                                               
is  owned by  the  City and  Borough of  Juneau  and that  Juneau                                                               
receives a portion of the aviation fuel tax.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MUNOZ   agreed  that  the   Juneau  International                                                               
Airport  receives 60  percent  of  the aviation  fuel  tax.   She                                                               
referred  to  page  3,  to  paragraph 5,  which  allows  for  the                                                               
inclusion of  other community transportation projects,  and asked                                                               
why municipal airports would be excluded under paragraph 2.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  P. WILSON  offered her  belief that  public transportation                                                               
could include airports.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:47:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MUNOZ asked whether  the 25 percent allocation for                                                               
aviation could include municipal airports.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KANE answered  he  was  not aware  of  another provision  in                                                               
statute  that would  prohibit municipal  airports from  receiving                                                               
any  type  of appropriations  so  he  assumed airports  would  be                                                               
eligible  for  appropriations under  this  paragraph  as well  as                                                               
under the public transportation provision.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:48:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MUNOZ referred  to page 3, paragraph  4, and asked                                                               
whether the  20 percent allocation  for harbor projects  would be                                                               
deposited into Municipal Harbor Facility Fund.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KANE   related  that  these  are   ceiling  percentages  for                                                               
allocation from  the proposed  fund, but  no specific  percent is                                                               
required  to  be deposited  into  the  Municipal Harbor  Facility                                                               
Grant Fund.   There is  also another option for  projects related                                                               
to harbor  facilities and state-owned  marine facilities  as well                                                               
as  the Municipal  Harbor Facility  Grant Fund.   As  much as  20                                                               
percent can  be deposited directly  into the grant fund,  but the                                                               
allocation cannot exceed the 20 percent, he stated.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:49:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MUNOZ  referred to the composition  and make-up of                                                               
the ATIFAC.  She asked how  the creation of another DOT&PF review                                                               
team would impact  the department and whether  this council would                                                               
create  a duplication  of  effort.   She  also expressed  concern                                                               
about  inclusion of  legislators on  that  team since  this is  a                                                               
statewide  project fund.   She  suggested that  legislators would                                                               
naturally  focus  on own  areas.    She  asked the  committee  to                                                               
consider  an amendment  to the  composition of  the ATIFAC.   She                                                               
indicated she would also like the DOT&PF to comment.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  P.  WILSON  clarified  that this  would  not  represent  a                                                               
duplication  of   efforts  since  the   Statewide  Transportation                                                               
Improvement Program (STIP) relates to federally funded projects.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MUNOZ maintained  she would like to  hear from the                                                               
DOT&PF on this matter of creating another panel.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR P.  WILSON remarked that  some constituents do  not believe                                                               
the  public's  concerns are  addressed  in  the current  process.                                                               
This  option   would  have  someone  directly   representing  the                                                               
constituency in the process.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:52:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
FRANK RICHARDS, Deputy Commissioner,  Office of the Commissioner,                                                               
Department  of  Transportation   &  Public  Facilities  (DOT/PF),                                                               
stated that the DOT&PF provided  a packet for members to identify                                                               
the project  evaluation boards that  the DOT&PF currently  has in                                                               
place for  surface transportation highway, aviation,  and harbors                                                               
projects.    The process  for  each  of  the boards  is  similar,                                                               
although the  criterion differs  slightly.   He related  that the                                                               
DOT&PF  would welcome  another board  to address  state projects.                                                               
The  inclusion of  public members  or legislators  would also  be                                                               
welcome  for  their  viewpoint   and  perspective.    The  DOT&PF                                                               
welcomes  this participation  to ensure  that the  process is  an                                                               
open and transparent process.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:53:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PETERSEN recalled prior  committee discussion.  He                                                               
further recalled that  the committee thought having  the Chair of                                                               
the  House and  Senate Transportation  Committees might  have too                                                               
much influence in the process.   He was not certain if that issue                                                               
has been addressed.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR P.  WILSON recalled that  the Chairs of  the Transportation                                                               
Standing Committees initially would  appoint legislators to serve                                                               
on the advisory  committee, but a provision has  been expanded in                                                               
Version  N  to allow  the  leadership  of  each body  to  appoint                                                               
legislative members.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PETERSEN  said  he  thought  the  DOT&PF  process                                                               
worked   well,  but   he  expressed   concern  that   having  the                                                               
legislative members  on the advisory committee  might be creating                                                               
another  "committee of  committees."   He  said  he also  thought                                                               
another layer of bureaucracy might slow down the process.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:55:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOHANSEN referred  to page 4, line  18, of Version                                                               
N,  and  asked whether  the  commissioner's  designee is  another                                                               
DOT&PF  employee or  if the  commissioner can  appoint anyone  to                                                               
serve.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RICHARDS  responded  that the  commissioner's  designee  has                                                               
always has been a DOT&PF person.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KANE offered  his  belief  that in  each  instance a  DOT&PF                                                               
designee has  been filling in  for the commissioner  the designee                                                               
has  been  a  DOT&PF  employee.   He  offered  to  research  this                                                               
further.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:57:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOHANSEN remarked  that  an appointed  legislator                                                               
could be a minority member of the legislature.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR P. WILSON commented that it could be transportation chair.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  stated  that   it  would  be  unlikely                                                               
legislature  leadership  would  appoint  a  minority  legislative                                                               
member to serve.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KANE,  in response  to  Chair  P.  Wilson, stated  that  the                                                               
appointment  process to  decide which  legislators will  serve on                                                               
boards and  commissions has usually  been left to  the discretion                                                               
of the leadership  of the legislature.  He offered  to check into                                                               
this further.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:00:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG referred  to  page 3,  to paragraphs  1                                                               
through  5, and  asked  whether  surface transportation  includes                                                               
public transportation.   He  thought that  surface transportation                                                               
would relate  to rolling  stock, which would  be public  and real                                                               
property in the  sense of roads.  He also  thought it might allow                                                               
for projects such  as a bus barn.   He wanted to  be certain that                                                               
the  language  in  paragraph  1   indicates  that  the  dedicated                                                               
transportation fund  could be used  for bus barn or  a roundhouse                                                               
for the  railroad.  He  asked for  clarification and to  flag the                                                               
issue for the sponsor to contemplate.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR P. WILSON  remarked that all of the state  projects are for                                                               
the public.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. KANE  suggested that  the legislature  could define  that the                                                               
allocation  for  distribution from  the  proposed  ATIF could  be                                                               
defined as specific or in broad terms.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:03:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. ROONEY related that the  discussions for the allocations were                                                               
limited  to roads  and  the  means of  conveying  vehicles.   The                                                               
reason  for  the  inclusion of  paragraphs  specified  for  local                                                               
community  public transportation  and  transit  is because  these                                                               
items  were   specifically  separate   from  roads   and  surface                                                               
transportation category.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG commented  that  he  could envision  at                                                               
some point the need for a bus barn.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR P. WILSON offered her belief  that a bus barn project would                                                               
be  covered under  the allocation  in paragraph  5, which  allows                                                               
funds to be  used for projects related to  local community public                                                               
transportation   and   transit.      In   further   response   to                                                               
Representative Gruenberg, she explained  that the Alaska Railroad                                                               
Corporation is  specifically not  listed since  it is  a separate                                                               
entity.    This  fund  is not  for  Alaska  Railroad  Corporation                                                               
projects, she stated.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG strongly suggested  that this "be put in                                                               
black and white" as it is not clear in the specific language.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOHANSEN  suggested that  the sponsor  should also                                                               
consider  how  the  Anchorage  Metropolitan  Area  Transportation                                                               
Solutions   (AMATS)   and   the   Fairbanks   Metropolitan   Area                                                               
Transportation Solutions (FMATS) process fits together.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   GRUENBERG  agreed.      He   remarked  that   as                                                               
Southcentral grows  a rail commuter  system may be needed  and he                                                               
would like the dedicated transportation  fund to be used for that                                                               
purpose.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
[HB 329 was held over.]                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:11:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                

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